+ Someone Like You review by Cynthia Fuchs
Heartbreak Phenomenology
One of Animal Husbandry's preoccupying themes is the
way that sadness over a breakup can leave just about
everything soaked in the aggrieved's self-pity and
sense of loss. After a particularly bad split, the
jilted one might see her ex-lover in a certain make
and model car, a
brand of chewing gum, an ambulance siren, even a
particular income tax form. All vectors of the
sensorium are fair game, and no thing or sensation
reminiscent of the once so recently loved is mere
coincidence.
Though many of us may know this phenomenon as well as
Laura Zigman, few know it better. Such a breakup years
ago drove her to write Animal Husbandry -- the tale
of a woman thrown over in a manner so offhand and
cruel that she must compose a rational, complete
theory of human behavior in its wake -- but she bears
no trace of this experience any longer. Poised and
confident, reserved but affable, she is working on her
third novel just as Hollywood has finished working on
her first. Meanwhile, she and her fiance are raising
an 8-month-old baby and she is considering whether
tinseltown or the bestseller list is the better place
to continue adding to her success. Whoever the fellow
was who caused her such misfortune years ago, he's
probably kicking himself today.
Mike Ward: What is your plan for the future? Are you
going into screenwriting, is that something that
interests you?
Laura Zigman: It does, sort of. I'm working on my
third book and I just had a baby, but I am almost
finished with the third novel. So I think I'll
hopefully always write books, if I'm lucky enough to
do it. But I do have a lot of interest in writing for
the movies. I don't think it's easy, but it could be
interesting.
MW: What exactly was your role with the film
adaptation?
LZ: Nothing official. They were really great about
keeping me in the loop. I mean, the producer had me
come out to Hollywood a couple of times, meet with the
screenwriter [Elizabeth Chandler], to get to know her.
They had me into New York a few times just to talk
things through. It was interesting for me to see how
it worked.
MW: There were some differences between the book and
the movie.
LZ: Yeah, there were a bunch of changes. A couple of
characters get eliminated that were in the book, and
then there's a subplot in the movie that wasn't in the
book involving Jane's sister. But I think a lot of the
changes in the movie were good.
MW: What role do you think those changes played?
LZ: People always ask me, do you hate the changes? I
was lucky that people like [producer] Lynda Obst and
[director] Tony Goldwyn, and Elizabeth Chandler, who
wrote it, are really smart, and I think, had it fallen
into hands that were not as intelligent, it could have
been a mess. Some of the changes I wouldn't have made
myself, but most of them, I think, are really smart.
And when I watched a rough cut in January, I was like,
"Wow." Maybe I should have done it that way.
MW: I read that [Animal Husbandry] is based on a
real-life event. Did you ever do this kind of research
project?
LZ: You mean, like, with the animals and stuff? Yeah,
that part is really autobiographical. I was dumped by
somebody and I was really devastated. And in my
illness, I started reading a lot of stuff about
animals. You know, when you're depressed and
heartbroken, you latch onto anything that will explain
what's happened.
MW: What is your basic process of writing?
LZ: At that time, it was difficult because I was
working full-time, so I wrote very sporadically. So it
took about five years to finish it. I would write, I
would do research. A lot of times when you do
research, you're stalling because you don't want to
write, so you keep reading more books about animals to
waste time. It makes it so you don't actually have to
sit down and write the book. I wanted that scientific
stuff to be all through the book. You can make as big
a connection between animal and human behavior as you
want.
MW: That connection between the animal and the human
behavior is obviously central to the book, and for a
light-hearted comedy, that's a pretty heavy theme.
LZ: I think as much humor as there was in it,
everybody gets their heart broken. Everyone's been
through it, at least once.
MW: What do you think the role of reason is in
heartbreak? For instance, do you think that Jane was
helped by coming up with the New Cow Theory?
LZ: Sure. Eventually she goes beyond the scientific
stuff, but I think people need to ascribe rational
reasons why this happens. They want to be able to
quantify certain things. One of the reasons why random
violence is so upsetting is because there's no reason
why it happened. And you want to know exactly why it
happened, so it doesn't happen again. Now that I know
why he left me, then I won't do this next time. But
it's not like that. You never know why.
MW: There's a couple of different reasons that you can
tease out as to why this is so important to Jane. One
of them is, as she says in the movie, "Either men are
doing this to all women, or they're just doing it to
me." She's either trying to figure out the world, or
she's trying to figure out herself.
LZ: And, you know, to take the attention off herself.
If it's not you, you try to look at all the different
circumstances, to see if it's a syndrome or something.
Because if you really start to think that it's just
happening to you, it's a very depressing realization
to come to.
MW: The main character's namesake is Jane Goodall, the
anthropologist, and there's an epigram from her in the
book about why she had to take notes on everything the
primates do, no matter how seemingly irrelevant. If
you boil everything down to least common denominators,
then you lose sight of these little events that create
the primates' society. So, to what extent do you see
the book as being about the process of heartbreak? Do
you see it at all as being about these larger
questions about how you come to understand the world?
LZ: I think it's both. I think on one level it's just
a simple heartbreak story -- what it feels like, what
happens. And on another level, yeah -- what I found
when I was going through it myself was that the more
women I talked to, the more I found that the same
thing had happened to them. Which I found was really
curious that every friend I had had been dumped in a
very similar way. Using the same words and the same
trajectory in the relationship: if it's been this
long, then they say this. I was fascinated by that. I
mean, not that you can ever really figure it out.
MW: So is the New Cow Theory right?
LZ: Well, depends what frame of mind you're in. I
think at the time, I really believed it completely and
now I don't. I mean I know a lot more men who are
great and not like the men in the book. At the time I
was living in New York, ten years ago, and that's the
kind of man I knew. But now most of the people I know
are in relationships with really good guys. So no, I'm
not as much of a cow radical as I used to be. Although
you know, there's always some nuggets of truth to it.
MW: Are your second and third novels along a similar
vein to Animal Husbandry?
LZ: I think the one I'm writing now is more similar.
Dating Big Bird was about a woman who wasn't
married, and who was involved with an older guy who's
divorced and who has lost a child. She lives in New
York, she wants a child, she's not happy. So the
question she tries to figure out is: should she wait?
Or should she have a child by artificial insemination?
And that's what I was going through a lot, I really
wanted a baby, and most of my friends -- same thing.
And you're all not married, and you're getting older
-- it's cliche, but it's really true. You're climbing
into your late 30s, you have to make a decision.
MW: You think that's a sign of the times? Do you think
people are having more anxiety about having children
at a certain age? There's no longer this set
trajectory that people seem to follow.
LZ: Which is great in a lot of ways. It gives you more
freedom to pursue your career, you can have a lot of
different relationships -- you don't have to get
married. You can do anything you want, and that's
great. But on the other hand, because there are no set
rules, it can produce a lot of anxiety if you want to
have children and you're not hooked up with somebody
in time. It can pass you by. Men deal with it, too,
but they have more time. They can wait into their 40s.
MW: The only reason I ask whether this is a "sign of
the times" is that it seems like there's been a spate
of these breezy romantic comedies and yet they're a
lot more focused on heartbreak and how difficult it
is. Ashley Judd's doing a lot of weeping in her room.
I'm thinking too of High Fidelity and even Get Over It.
LZ: That's interesting, I think it's true. I think
it's more painful now, and that's not to say that 50
years ago [it wasn't painful]. I think now, people are
lonelier.