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Books > Features > Sarah Katherine Lewis
Photos by Mary Paynter Sherwin How It Could Be Different: An Interview with Sarah Katherine Lewis[13 May 2009] The sex worker turned memoir author and columnist discusses the egalitarian nature of the sex industry, the devaluation of the body, and why you should just go ahead and eat that bacon if you want it.
By Nicole SolomonSarah Katherine Lewis is a feminist writer and activist whose wit and candor make for delightful reading, even when she’s discussing unsavory aspects of the sex industry or her own struggle with depression. Whether righteously defending Britney Spears, sharing practical instructions for making tomato sauce (lots of cheap wine helps), or investigating the candy bar kinks of a confounding john, Lewis pulls pearls of unexpected enlightenment from her subject matter. Her two books, Indecent: How I Make It and Fake It as a Girl for Hire and Sex and Bacon: Why I Love Things That Are Very Bad for Me, are at the same time heavy, hilarious, and rejuvinating reads. Lewis tackles personal demons towards a broader end. She has the courage to ask radical questions and demand more than advertising slogan answers: How we can be happy and healthy and live without exploiting or abusing one another? How can we love ourselves, including our bodies—which we may have been taught to hate? When not leading workshops on body image on college campuses across the country, Lewis currently works as a freelance writer, blogs, and writes a sex advice column. She can be found online at www.sarahkatherinelewis.com and www.sexandbacon.com. I had the opportunity to chat with Lewis on St. Patrick’s Day. The recent transplant from Seattle had just come home from negotiating a grocery run without the aid of on automobile in Ann Arbor, Michigan, where public transportation is scarce. I wanted to ask you about the reception of Indecent and Sex and Bacon. How were they received, and how did you feel about the reception from both readers and critics? With Indecent, for the most part, women got it and loved it. Especially women with a history of sex work, but most blue-collar women, really. There was a huge, almost cultish reaction, and I got a ton of mail from women saying, “Finally, a sex worker memoir is true to my experience!” It was humbling and amazing. Not that I think I speak for all sex workers (who could?), but to hear that my experience, truthfully told, made someone else feel this huge sense of recognition in a way that no other sex worker memoir had [made me feel great]. I just tried to tell the truth and hope that someone would want to read it. It turned out that a lot of people did, and I feel incredibly lucky because as I was writing it, I was really scared nobody would get it or believe me. I was thinking about Indecent today, and about how while much of it is very specific to sex work, and the particulars of working in an industry that’s marginalized and demonized as it is, I would imagine that a lot of it would ring true to people, especially women, working in other service industry sectors. Exactly. The low-wage service industry is all about exhausting, physically demanding, humiliating, and often dangerous labor. Selling the health and safety of your body to pay your rent isn’t a problem unique to women, or to sex workers. It’s much more systemic; it’s about who we view as unworthy of societally-mandated protection. Why do you think it is that SOME people reacted so strongly to your memoir rather than others? There are a lot of sex work memoirs out there… It seems like most of them follow a particular formula, feature a particular kind of [straight, white, upper/middle class, college educated, ”unlikely”] protagonist that publishers think is marketable… Which is not to dismiss those writers or their experiences, it just seems like what’s out there is pretty narrow. Can you elaborate on that? The “beautiful and sexy” thing? Yeah, I think people don’t get that aspect of sex work. They think it’s the ultimate example of patriarchal beauty standards being oppressively wielded, because they think of Jenna Jameson, not realizing that the vast majority of women working in porn or whatever fields [of the sex industry] don’t look like that. Part of it might be that people who don’t interface much with the sex industry don’t see all the layers of skill that are involved with being able to actually make money. I wanted to ask you about the glove incident in Indecent. [A client became enraged when Lewis refused to remove a protective glove from her injured hand and proceeded to behave abusively. He complained to Lewis’ boss, who reprimanded her.] That passage struck me in that it seemed to speak both to specific occupational hazards of sex work, the lack of support for trying to protect yourself, and lack of labor standards, as well as a commonality with other forms of labor where the workers aren’t valued as much. It’s a systemic issue, not a sex industry [specific] issue, which is what blows my mind about “abolitionist” anti-sex work feminists. They argue that they care so much about women’s lives and safety, but I don’t see them working on campaigns with farm workers… |
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<b>“what blows my mind about “abolitionist” anti-sex work feminists. They argue that they care so much about women’s lives and safety, but I don’t see them working on campaigns with farm workers…”</b>
Excuse me?
Why on Earth should feminists advocating against the multi-billion dollar black market sexual slave trade in mostly WOMEN’S bodies be denigrated for not simultaneously expending their energies and resources advocating for mostly MEN farm workers?
Nicole Soloman needs to look up the meaning of the word feminist, but only after badgering sex worker right activists like Ms. Lewis about why she hasn’t begun a campaign to get migrant farm laborers healthcare. It’s probably because she doesn’t care so much about women’s lives and safety just like those other feminists.
Comment by julia — May 13, 2009 @ 1:07 pm
Good interview by Sarah! She’s one of the best 30something author out there who writes about real life. Need to have more info with her!
Comment by DJ Eternal Darkness from Seattle — May 13, 2009 @ 4:34 pm
I love you SK! Don’t take any shit!
Comment by Carrie Burrows from Fresno,California — May 13, 2009 @ 5:07 pm
This is refreshing! I don’t hear/see enough of this type of honest writing. Does she/will she be contributing to your site?
I have a lot of resentment towards others that want to exert THEIR control over MY body (as if human health is not unique to each person).
I feel like this stems from religious and cultural ideas like “what works for me MUST work for you” or “i am afraid of differences so i must homogenize the world”.
I trust my body over the financially-backed “advice” from the food and drug corporations. It just makes too much sense that they’d be lying for their own personal gain.
My life means too much to me than to trust advertising.
Comment by Joanne S from austin — May 13, 2009 @ 5:23 pm
Well, honey…if Michigan is getting you down, come to NC! We have tons of clubbing, it’s warm here, and yeah the job market sux but no worse than where you are now.
If you want dancing and fun, it’s here…the goth scene awaits you!
Comment by Miranda from Durham, NC — May 13, 2009 @ 5:24 pm
Love you!
Its not easy: writing a book, speaking out, having these kind of discussions and the access to the media to have them in. What a great interview (and interviewer) - important incites/topics; glad to see this!
Yes, the systematic using of womens labor, women and others, the issues are bigger; issues link up to each other: its not just about sex work. Sorry Miss “excuse me” that you can’t see that. Glad you said excuse me, you should, cuz you were being very rude. Your going to have to open your mind up more to have these discussions.
life is hard and we need to support each other, with room for differences, have some room to operate, and more intellectual suppleness and general kindness, if we can make anything different. so yea, don’t do it again!
Comment by china martens — May 13, 2009 @ 5:28 pm
Sarah Katherine Lewis has her eyes open and is an amazing writer. She mines the truth, washes away the effluvia, and crafts it into the best writing of her generation. I be a big fan now.
Comment by Emory from Seattle — May 13, 2009 @ 5:53 pm
I always love reading what Sarah Lewis has to say about women, food, and work. Candid, thoughtful, honest, and refreshing - just what feminism ought to be like. Thanks for fighting the good fight!
Comment by Sarah from Olympia, Washington — May 13, 2009 @ 6:27 pm
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It’s not often I have the opportunity to directly talk up a writer I love to her publishers, so I’m going to run with it.
Sarah Katherine Lewis’ *Sex and Bacon* is one of the most engrossing and inspiring books I have ever read (in a wide field, if I say so myself), and I would like to see—I would PAY to see—a great deal more of her work, whether it’s in the form of interviews, workshops, readings, articles, or books. Keep her coming, and I’ll keep coming back.
Thanks!
Comment by J. from Colorado Springs, CO — May 13, 2009 @ 11:21 pm
My head nearly EXPLODED reading the comment from “Julia” who believes that most migrant workers are men. Oh no… couldn’t be! I don’t think I’ve been that offended…ever in my life. And that’s saying something.
My god, the ignorance, arrogance, and privledge… IT BURNS. And apparently they are immigrants, too!! HELLO? Would you believe that quite a large population of them are American-born whites? And American-born Mexicans?
Seriously, people, I might have an aneurysm. My grandmother, who was BORN HERE, worked in the fields as a SEVEN YEAR OLD, along with a bunch of other little girls in the 1930s. You think it’s that different now? GET OUT OF YOUR CUSHY DAMNED CONDO AND GO LOOK IN A FIELD.
You might remember the law they tried to pass to keep American-born children of immigrants out of public schools, denying them their rights as citizens? Gee, where would they have put them? BACK IN THE FIELDS.
THANK YOU THANK YOU SARAH AND NICOLE FOR GETTING IT.
Comment by Sonya Trejo — May 14, 2009 @ 3:47 am
More to the point of this lovely interview: I loved Sex and Bacon with a passion. The Red Sauce chapter was my favorite, and I’ve had no shortage of arguments over tomato sauce creations of all kind now that I’m staying with Mom for awhile. :)
And thank you for talking about the body’s self-regulation and how weirded out we are by it! Tell us more about these workshops!
I should calm down over Julia’s comment. She probably just thinks all those illegal male field workers love their work, and it comes naturally.
Comment by Sonya Trejo — May 14, 2009 @ 4:02 am
An excellent interview, summarizes both books very well.
But—I’m given to understand that INDECENT only contained about a tenth of what was intended. So my question for Sarah is this: can we have more? There ought to be a forum somewhere for some of the outtakes. Call it Notes From the Cutting Room Floor or something. In the age of DVD extras, I think there would be an eager audience for Bonus Material. (This is assuming that Seal Press isn’t interested in a sequel….)
Comment by Russ the Librarian from Seattle — May 14, 2009 @ 11:52 am
Fabulous interview! I can’t believe I haven’t read Indecent yet…
Spot on with the farm workers comment, Nicole. I hope there’s a day that people who insist on tirading against all sex work as *the sex slave trade* actually understand the crossover between that and say, the domestic workers industry.
Comment by Amy from NC — May 18, 2009 @ 10:36 am
If sex worker rights activists are actually all over farm labor as an issue I sure didn’t see it at last year’s Hooker’s Ball. Or on any of their blogs, of which I am a reader. Has a sex worker ever written a book about non-sexual migrant labor?
And there’s nothing wrong with that because they, like feminists, have their own causes to work on.
My local LBGTQ association has feminists as members and to call them hypocrites for saying they care about women without doing more activism for migrant farm workers is usurping their right to advocate for themselves on their own issues. Feminists are not responsible for fixing every social ill in the world before attending to the ones of their own choosing, and if they choose sex trafficking they aren’t obligated to also work for restaurant, domestic, or farm workers at the same time.
Comment by Julia doesn't save the whales either — May 18, 2009 @ 11:03 am
A++ interview! I have to go out and read SKL’s books now—I just reserved them from the library. If they are half as good as this interview, they’re gonna be just what I need.
Comment by arielariel — May 19, 2009 @ 4:31 pm