When it comes to drummers, style can briefly eclipse substance. Before you know it, people are coming up to you in bars talking about what a great drummer Don Henley was.
Most of the time, it’s pretty clear when a rock drummer is great or not so great, but sometimes people get it wrong. Sometimes lousy drummers get all the attention, and great players slip through the cracks. This can happen when very so-so drummers luck into incredibly talented bands or when they do things that distract people from their sub-par drumming (like act in films or sing). It can happen when great drummers get lost in a band’s mix, or get fired for doing things that have nothing to do with their playing (like heroin).
I play the drums myself, and I think these misunderstandings are like anything else in life. Style can briefly eclipse substance. People can start believing PR, instead of the evidence to the contrary. And, most universal of all, once somebody is out of the spotlight, they can be all too quickly forgotten. Then, before you know it, things have gotten so out of hand that people are coming up to you in bars talking about what a great drummer Don Henley was.
So let’s try to set some of these wronged drummers right again (and vice versa). Here are my top five in both categories.
The Overrated
1. Ringo Starr Being hard on Ringo’s drumming feels a little like striking out the pitcher. No matter how strenuously one points out that Ringo was actually not all that good, it still seems the point has been somehow missed. Yet when one subtracts the mystique and myth of the Beatles—a band that is to most rock critics what L. Ron Hubbard is to Scientologists—and puts Ringo’s drumming under the microscope, one ineluctably comes back to the fact that he’s not as wonderful as he’s made out to be.
Ringo was charismatic, endearing, and one of the better actors in the band—his work in The Magic Christian notwithstanding—but as a drummer, Ringo was often barely sufficient. His beats are tepid, characterless and uncreative. When the tune’s slow, Ringo plays like Levon Helm on downers, struggling to fill the space. When the Beatles take it up-tempo, you can almost hear Ringo holding them back. Yet Ringo continues to be incorrectly esteemed as a great musician, as rock critics further and further elevate the Beatles to heights of infallibility.
Let’s be clear, there are many reasons to esteem Ringo. (I’m sure he’s a nice man, and how many drummers started playing because of him?) Unfortunately, his drumming isn’t one of them.
photo copyright Enid Faber 2000
2. Cindy Blackmon It is important to note that women seem to be unfairly underrepresented in the world of rock drumming. I don’t know why this is, but the reason certainly isn’t physiological. It’s established that women tend to have slightly more body fat and slightly less muscle mass, but so what? The rock drummer who probably had the fastest hands ever (Ginger Baker) had arms like twigs at the height of his powers, and the best drummer of all time (Buddy Rich) got to be a chubby bastard toward the end with no discernable effect on his playing.
So it’s maybe cool if Cindy Blackmon, Lenny Kravitz’s enthusiastic, sometimes-afroed drummer, gives girls the courage to pick up the sticks and give it a shot, but that’s about the only good thing I can think to say. The drummer for Lenny Kravitz should be a lot better.
Blackmon is a textbook case of a middling player holding a better artist back. True, she may have been hired for her looks and not her playing; the fault there lies with Lenny for hasty overpromotion. Still, one can’t shake the fact that Lenny himself is a better drummer than Cindy. You can hear it on songs like “Let Love Rule,” on which he plays with remarkable heart.
Cindy, on the other hand, is singularly uncreative and mechanical in her rock beats. In a review of her work with Kravitz, Jon Pareles of The New York Times wrote, “Cindy Blackmon on drums could switch from the splashy, sludgy style of the Jimi Hendrix Experience’s Mitch Mitchell to the casual economy of Ringo Starr.”
Just like Ringo, you say? Oh goody.
3. Don Henley Rarely do you hear a drummer who plays as though he actively hates the act of drumming. Rarer still, to hear such playing in a band as iconic as the Eagles. Nonetheless, hatred is the only explanation I have for why Henley plays the way he does.
Perhaps he preferred to concentrate on his singing, or the act of playing an instrument was too physically taxing for him. There is some evidence for this second idea. In a 1990 interview with Modern Drummer magazine, Henley said that playing the drums had given him a bad back. Whatever the reason, it’s clear on Eagles recordings that he regards playing the drums as a vagary, like cleaning his toilet or doing his taxes. There is no joy in his playing. Rather, it is uncreative and dead, a regrettable necessity that Henley hopes will be over soon.
Happily for his fans, Henley wised up when he went solo and ditched the drums entirely. Still, the idea that one would remember his work with the Eagles as having on any level involved “good drumming” is profoundly off-base.
4. Chris Frantz When the three founding members of Talking Heads began playing together in New York in the early 1970s, no member of the band was a virtuoso. When the group got its first gig opening for the Ramones, Tina Weymouth was still learning to play on a bass guitar she’d bought on layaway. But by the time of their final release in 1988—okay, their final release with David Byrne; that is, their final significant release— every member of the group had advanced to a level of skill and style worthy of rock’s top echelons. Every member except for one.
As the rest of the group noticeably improved from album to album, Chris Frantz remained mysteriously stymied. On most songs, he played a variation of the same tired four-beat, and with all the musical character of a junior high school student. The rest of Talking Heads clearly longed to move in musical directions that called for greater talent behind the drums. On Stop Making Sense, you can hear the band’s awkward attempt to accommodate for Frantz by adding a slew of backup percussionists. But there is, alas, only so much a conga drummer can do. By the time Talking Heads made Naked in 1988, Frantz’s playing was almost completely lost in a sea of backup percussionists.
But really, the most damning indictment of his playing is the exceptional solo work David Byrne has produced since leaving the rhythmically handicapped Talking Heads. The brilliant South American grooves on Bryne’s solo efforts give the listener just a taste of what the Talking Heads might have been… were it not for Chris Frantz.
5. Carter Beauford The Dave Matthews Band’s drummer is on both of my lists. He’s on this one because when he’s praised—and he should be—it’s usually for the wrong reason. Live or recorded, Beauford’s drums sound amazing, and he gets lots of attention for this. His entire set has a great sound. However, he didn’t invent this sound, as many music fans insist. Beauford’s drum set is widely imitated. (The playing style is not, but more on that later). His deep, reverberating toms, flat snare (turned up very loud), and quick dark cymbals have become something like an industry standard. I—a drummer, you will remember—have worked on projects where the engineer mixed my drums by isolating one of my fills, isolating a DMB recording of one of Beauford’s fills, and trying to get them to sound identical.
The only problem with the influential, signature sound is that it isn’t his. It belongs to another preternatural drummer named William Kennedy, who refined it through years of playing with the Grammy-winning jazz group the Yellowjackets. Listen to any recording of William Kennedy’s and that sound is there. And it was there first. To his credit, Beauford is more than forthcoming about Kennedy’s influence whenever he is interviewed. Unfortunately, far more people listen to DMB than will ever hear (or hear of) the Yellowjackets. It is likely that Beauford will always be inaccurately celebrated as the “inventor” of an awesome new drum sound.
The Underrated
1. Topper Headon Although his name isn’t likely to ring bells, it’s difficult to overestimate Topper’s work on the Clash’s London Calling (esteemed by Rolling Stone as “The Greatest Album of the 80’s” and ranked eighth on its list of the 500 Greatest Albums of All Time). The physically diminutive, poorly-spoken, heroin-addicted drummer for the Clash was not the group’s original skins man, nor was he its last. Topper was fired in 1982 when his drug use became unmanageable, even as the Clash toured in support of “Rock the Casbah” (a song Topper himself had written). Despite his personal failings, his contribution to the music was tremendous, and his drumming remains an undiscovered treasure for too many.
Rock fans everywhere recognize his opening beat to the Mick Jones song “Train in Vain.” A typical example of Topper’s excellent work, the beat is both catchy and deceptively complicated. Imitated in songs like “Stupid Girl” by Garbage (and just as widely sampled), one is lead to wonder where it would place if Rolling Stone did a “500 Greatest Beats of All Time”: My guess is maybe third, after “Bo Diddley” and “Wipeout”. Throughout his time with the Clash, Topper’s drumming remained superb. It does what drumming is supposed to do: make great songs even better.
Across the Clash catalog, Topper tackles punk, blues, and 1950s rockabilly with a facility that is sometimes hard to believe. And while esteeming musicians for “the notes they don’t play” is too often employed by apologists for bad drummers, Topper’s use of restraint is both clever and musically satisfying. The notes he doesn’t play, especially when those notes are cymbal crashes, leave the listener with the pleasantly funky sensation of ascending a staircase and reaching for a final, but nonexistent, step.
In the 2000 Clash documentary Westway to the World, Joe Strummer notes that the Clash auditioned an incredible 200 drummers before finding Topper. Little doubt can exist that he was worth the wait.
2. Bill Berry It is possible that R.E.M. drummer Bill Berry has been so quickly forgotten because of the way he went against the typical rock and roll lifestyle, marrying early, sensibly putting down his sticks when health problems cropped up, and quietly retiring to become a farmer. Yet this drummer (who is perhaps best known for his regrettably singular eyebrow) supported a range and breadth of music few others could.
R.E.M. guitarist Peter Buck is hailed as a guitar wizard because he can craft songs that feel full and rich but on which he merely strums first-position chords or lightly plucks his strings. Few, it seems, think to credit the virtuosic playing of Berry (along with bassist Mike Mills) for the phenomenon of R.E.M.’s “mysteriously” full sound. Sure, Peter Buck can delicately pluck or distractedly strum, but only because Berry is sitting behind him actually working for a living.
Berry’s drumming is also surprisingly hard to do; it just doesn’t sound like it. His debut work on the Chronic Town EP is impressively up-tempo and very challenging but not distractingly so. The songs on Life’s Rich Pageant show a stunning refinement of his fast-paced, country-influenced style, and on “Little America” (from Reckoning) his 16-beat hi-hat work gives the Foo Fighters’ “Everlong” (notoriously difficult to play) a good run for its money. But one shouldn’t have to lawyer Berry onto this list song by song. His playing with R.E.M. speaks for itself.
3. Dino Danelli The work of very talented people can sometimes be unfairly eclipsed for no better reason than the bad luck of being born at the wrong time. The plays of Christopher Marlowe are brilliant and deserve to be read, but students will always focus on Shakespeare first. Kurt Gödel’s theorems should have made him the greatest theoretical mathematician of his day, and they would have, were it not for his contemporary Albert Einstein. And so it is with the talented but unlucky Dino Danelli.
Danelli started out as a jazz drummer and was hired to tour with vibes-great Lionel Hampton when he was only 15. In 1965, he joined a rock group called the Young Rascals (later shortened to the Rascals), and by 1967 the group had a top-20 song. This was due in no small part to Danelli’s playing.
Whatever his jazz style might have been, Danelli’s work with the (Young) Rascals was a rollicking, frenetic spectacle. It sounded great and it looked cool too. Danelli played hard and mean, hitting his drums like they owed him money. He was, for a moment, the archetypal “wild-man” drummer. Unfortunately for him, another band also had its first top-20 hit in 1967. That band was the Who, and its drummer was Keith Moon. Rightfully esteemed as one of the very best ever, Moon did everything Danelli did, and he did it just slightly better. His band also proved to be more enduring and productive than the Rascals.
After what must have seemed an instant in the spotlight, Danelli found himself eclipsed by a bigger, badder version of himself. Finishing a close second to a legend is no small feat however, and Danelli’s playing still sounds as lively today as it ever did. Literature students who make time to read Marlowe in addition to Shakespeare are deeply rewarded, and theoretical physicists who color their study of Einstein with some Gödel usually find themselves the better off for it. Likewise, rock fans who check out Dino Danelli (in addition to Moon, of course) are in for a very pleasant surprise.
4. Dave Krusen Pearl Jam’s Ten is one of the most important albums of the 1990s. Its sound and style served as a guidepost for aspiring grunge and alternative rock musicians at a time when the rules were still being written. How was grunge different from heavy metal? How was it similar? Ten helped answer some of these questions, especially when it came to drumming.
The outstanding drummer who played on Ten was Dave Krusen. He’s on my list as underrated because of the way he became a nonentity almost immediately after the album was completed. Pearl Jam fired him right as the record took off and replaced him with another drummer: the flashy, dramatically posing, product endorsing Dave Abbruzzese.
Dave A. was capable and fun to watch, but he was mostly just copying Dave K’s parts from the album. (When the time came to record a follow-up to Ten, Dave A.’s dearth of invention became all the more clear.)
Many rock fans feel that Pearl Jam has yet to capture the magic of Ten in its subsequent releases. Many drummers wonder if the missing ingredient might not be a guy named Dave Krusen.
5. Carter Beauford If Carter Beauford is such a good drummer—and he is—then why don’t more drummers sound like him? Why doesn’t his distinctive style catch on if it’s so good? When I go see local bands that imitate DMB, why don’t their drummers imitate Carter Beauford? It is, I think, telling that the last one of these questions can be answered with the simple rejoinder: “Because they fucking can’t.”
Imitation may be the greatest form of flattery, but in Beauford’s case, an exception must be made. His unique playing style—the hi-hat leads with his left hand, the independent movement of the kick drum, the impossibly quick single-stroke rolls—involves a level of musical proficiency that almost no other drummer alive today can copy. A frat boy in a dirty while baseball cap can strum and moan like Dave Matthews after a few months of practice, but to even begin to copy Beauford, one needs a natural coordination bestowed on very few.
When Rush burst on the scene, the prog rock drummers imitated Neil Peart. When Led Zeppelin hit, John’s Bonham’s influence could be heard in every other hard rock act. Yet in jam-bands influenced by DMB, one hardly detects a beat or fill influenced by Beauford, and because of this, his position as an “influential drummer” can be called into question. It shouldn’t be. Rather, his playing style, itself physically unable to be copied, should be held up as the very definition of the word inimitable.
Comments
Where is Stanton Moore? One of the best living rock drummer…
Comment by Jason Nevitt from DC baby — March 21, 2007 @ 8:07 am
While I do respect your opinion and—PopMatters’ decision to use such a varied writers that includes the likes of you, Mr Kenemore—I must say that I found the delivery of your critique (on “The Underrated” list) to be a bit abrasive. There are many writers on this site that write critically without giving off an air of pomposity.
With time and a little more practice at your writing(and maybe working with a really good editor), I’m sure you will, over time, find more diplomatic ways to convey your criticism in a more objective manner without sounding jouvenile, or like you’re throwing stones. You won’t have a long career as a writer spewing vitriol, unless you want to work for the Tabloids. And I don’t think PopMatters fits into that category.
Comment by R.Bentley — March 21, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
Stanton is quite good. As is Mike Clark. As is Dennis Chambers. As is Cobham. As is RSJ…...
Buddy Rich is best ever? Not the way I hear it…it would have to be Tony Williams followed closely by Elvin Jones.
Favorite all-time, under-appreciated drummer…. B.J. Wilson of Procol Harum. Whoa.
Comment by haywood jay — March 21, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
What about Black Sabbath’s Bill Ward? Nicko McBrain of Iron Maiden? Two excellent drummers in my book!
I enjoyed reading your article Scott. So what if you were a little brash with your underrated list? It’s not often that drummers get written about and for choosing to write about them, you deserve some credit. Rock on man!
Comment by V. Petrillo — March 21, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
A discussion of “underrated” drummers that does not include the most ridiculously amazing drummer in popular music - John Convertino - is incomplete to the point of being irrelevant.
Similarly, with regard to Matt Pence of Centro-matic and South San Gabriel, never has such great drumming been heard by so few.
Comment by J. Cooper from Atlanta — March 21, 2007 @ 1:28 pm
that this article exists chills me to the bone. do you really know people who think don henley was a great drummer? is your engineer really trying to match the sound of your drums to breaks from dave matthews songs? this is all just so wrong.
Comment by bernard purdie — March 21, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
kenemore…you coward. I see you’ve removed all the posts that stated clearly what a talentless contributor you really are. So, as I expected you can dish it out but you can’t take it , huh?Go home. Feed your cats and re-paint your toenails.
Comment by A drummer — March 21, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
This article is really really stupid. It might have been worth the read if you WEREN’T a drummer, then it might have at least been amusing. But the fact that you are makes it just some stupid rant a on a drum message board. Post your drumming. I agree with an above comment, “this is just all so wrong.” You obviously are an incredibly mediocre drummer. I know this without even reading it, because god forbid you put your drumming against these guys. I hate you. goodnight.
Comment by robby from DC — March 21, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
A note from the editor: comments containing expletives and ad hominem attacks will be deleted.
Comment by SysAdmin — March 21, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
This article is very poorly researched. If you understood the history of the instrument, you would understand that these drummers who you call “over-rated” are actually innovators. Ringo was the first drummer, for instance, to popularize “straight 8ths” in rock, and also the matched grip. Before this, on early rock albums, you still had drummers playing a shuffle beat (even under straight rock songs - listen to the original recording of Johnny B. Goode).
The thing is, if you don’t have a strong knowledge of the history of the instrument, you will think the early innovators are over-rated, because the stuff that they did that WAS unique and innovative is now commonplace in all drumming.
Comment by Jon — March 21, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
Ringo’s not a good drummer. Are you serious? I won’t even go on, its ludicrious.
Comment by Chris from California — March 21, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
Chris…
Ringo is the FIRST drummer to mainstream the matched grip that 85% of all drummers use today. Ringo is also the FIRST rock drummer to popularize the “straight 8th” rock beat, as I said earlier. He also played with such perfect timing that the Beatles were the first rock band to use multiple takes mixed together, without a click track, because Ringo’s timing was absolutely perfect.
He also could play much better than the average Beatles track shows. His perfect one handed threes and fours on “I Feel Fine” are just one example. Rain is another great track.
The fact remains that anyone who knows anything about the history of rock drumming knows that Ringo was an amazing, innovative drummer, and we can thank him for the majority of what drummers since then have done.
Comment by Jon — March 21, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
The Ringo debate has been closed for some time. Once Max Weinberg, Levon Helm, Kenny Aronoff, Charlie Watts, Steve Jordan, and Jim Keltner all weighed in with the opinion that Ringo was a great drummer, that pretty much shut the book.
And not to beat a dead horse, but Cindy Blackmon was long recognized as an accomplished jazz player before she joined Lenny Kravitz’s band. And it’s kind of short-sighted to suggest she got the gig because of how she looks (if I’m reading that sentence correctly) for a few reasons, the least of which being she got the gig by auditioning for Kravitz over the phone.
Comment by James Gadson — March 21, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
You should be ashamed of yourself. Don Henley drums like a song writer not an egotist on crack. You say you have validation because you’re a drummer. I’m a drummer and your opinion on this issue is ignorant probably as a result of unfulfilled dreams.
Comment by Vince from Virginia — March 22, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
Stanton Moore should really be on your underrated list. And you’ve got to be kidding about Ringo. And Carter Beauford is a wanker, no question. And Bill Berry is perfectly rated. He provides the appropriate indistinct beats & fills for REM’s song.
Comment by Slippers — March 23, 2007 @ 9:38 am
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Now that I think about it, it’s actually a really good test of a drummer/musician to see what they think about Ringo. If you don’t get how awesome Ringo is, you have lots and lots and lots to learn and probably have huge holes in your playing. I’d like you hear you play Sgt. Peppers as heavy, deliberate, and powerfully as Ringo. Very few can.
Comment by rob from DC — March 23, 2007 @ 9:43 am
Mediocre writing skills at best. The subject matter is as irrelevant as a discussion on what’s better: “chocolate” or “peanut butter” on my morning toast. Or better yet, who’s a better driver: a “race car driver” or a “soccer mom” involved in today’s car accident. Poorly presented points with no follow through. Comments are just as idiotic.
You can only objectively compare quality of musicianship and/or arrangement skills of these examples if you have them recorded playing the same piece of music using the same equipment. Otherwise, there’s no validity in your basis of comparison. As for your pitch (i.e. “style can briefly eclipse substance”), for your information the main premise of all things rock is that STYLE IS SUBSTANCE. If you’re looking for something else, then perhaps jazz, classical music or rather some other art form should be your choice to rant about.
Comment by Joe K from New York, NY — March 28, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
I liked the article. Lists are a really fun way to talk about music, and the choice to pay attention to drummers made for a fun read. The griping below is kind of evidence that you did a good job, since you pushed my buttons enough to make me want to talk back. Nice job. And thanks for showing Topper some love. I think he’s the most underrated musician in pop music period. Listen to the Terry Chimes Clash records- it’s good, tight as a drum punk rock. Then listen to the Topper version of the band- expansive, rich, world class rock band, perhaps the greatest in history. Sure the songs got more ambitious, but the arrangments were what really started to get more sophistocated, and a lot of that has to do with Topper.
But why is Don Henley on the list? I mean, sure he’s a dull, uninteresting drummer, but who says otherwise? Do people REALLY spend time praising him as a drummer? It always comes as a surprise to me when I realize that in fact he WAS the drummer in the band. I’ve never heard anybody say anything at all about his drumming, good or bad. It’s so inconspicuous (and yes, boring and labored. . . I agree that he sucks), that it’s just kinda there. If there are secretly hordes of Don Henley drum devotees out there, then you indeed have a point, but I’ve never met any of these people.
I’m afaid I’ll have to weigh in with the Ringo supporters here too. Ringo may not be the most technically skilled guy around, but when it comes to playing inventive little parts and to “feel,” he’s the absolute greatest. Think about the transition he makes at the beginning of “Can’t Buy Me Love” from wacking away at the tom toms until the first verse kickes in and he moves over to the cymbal and snare drums. (I’m not a drummer and I’m going on memory, so I’m sure I haven’t explained what he’s actually doing there right, but just listen to the song and you’ll hear it. It’s a cool moment.) Both parts are pretty simple, but that transition really kicks the song into gear. His drumming really helped to create the brilliant arrangements that lifted the Beatles’ early records from clever garage pop into the stone cold classic records that they are. And his ability to bend his style to compliment the diversity of the later records really shows a depth that not many drummers can match. Hell, on Helter Skelter he invents heavy metal! Yes, he was at an advantage since he was contributing to such great songs, but he really added to what those records were. Most drummers, no matter how accomplished, would have been merely keeping up.
I’d also like to see a few metal drummers on the list. Since metal musicians tend to get all fetishistic about intrumental chops, there are tons and tons of really impressive and interesting drummers in metal who don’t get any credit. Seems like Lars Ulrich (whose really good, but a bit overrated) and Dave Lombardo (who is a God, but not for anything he’s done with Slayer. . . Fanotmas is where he really got to be a musician)are the only guys that get talked about much.
I’d like to to the list of underrated drummers Tony Bray from Vemon. From a techical standpoint, he was perhaps the crudest, lousiest drummer to ever make a record (I mean really), but his unbriddled enthusiasm and stupid-ass gonzo energy really made for some inventive playing. If you listen to Vemon’s first album (from 1980) you’ll hear in his playing the ideas that fueled extreme metal for the next thirty years. (Duduuddudududududa!) On that record he’s always trying to play a little bit beyond his ability, and it’s marvelous. Very punk rock.
Tomas Haak from Meshuggah also deserves more attention. He’s certainly appreciated by folks who listen to heavy metal, but I think jam band wanks would do well to pay attention to Meshuggah just to hear what real musicianship sounds like.
Comment by Jamie — March 29, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
Scott,
You’ve got the right to express your opinion, but you are so mistaken. For your own sake, don’t mention that you play drums because it shows how little you know about them and music as a whole. Everything you consider weaknesses in Ringo’s playing style are what makes him unique and impossible to copy. How can you compare Dino Danelli with Keith Moon? They are totlly different. Keith didn’t use a high hat and had two bass drums. Dino played much jazzier with a completely different style. The Who never were in competition with the Rascals… Blue-Eyed Soul singles compared to Tommy or Who’s Next? Don Henley is a lousy drummer? I think he sounds pretty good on Hotel California, or did Ringo sit in on that session?
George Martini
Comment by George Martini from USA — March 31, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
Topper Headon was/is the best drummer I have heard. Listening to some of the innovative fills on Sandinista demonstrates that…however I can’t agree with you about Ringo. He’s a top drummer.
One of the things you can say are similar about these two great drummers is that they play the drums, with feeling, as a musical instrument and not a learned mechanical technical exercise. Too many drummers are like this. It’s about playing with SOUL.
PS Steve White - A British drumming institution (style council, Paul Weller band). If you like Topper Headon you might like this guy. Particularly ‘Sunflower’ by Paul Weller..Check him out..
Andrew Allan
Comment by Andrew Allan from United Kingdom — April 19, 2007 @ 6:59 pm
If you think Henley is dull and uninteresting I’d say you haven’t really been listening. Just as there there are hordes of Henley devotee’s (though not secret) if you haven’t met any you’ve not been looking. Who could listen to Visions off One of These Nights and think it’s boring?
Comment by Vince from Williamsburg Va. — April 20, 2007 @ 12:07 am